The head of the platform “open education” Vasily Tretiakov — on competition with Coursera, working with universities and student progress. The founder of the company DZ Systems Dmitry Zavalishin project DZ Online interviews with representatives of various industries that showed the successful transition from offline to online. The head of the Board of the Association “national platform for open education”, the Vice-rector for educational technologies of the Ural Federal University Vasily Tretiakov — chief ideologist of the portal openedu.ru in order to explore the part of the official program of leading universities and get a real evaluation in the record book. Basil, the most famous project in the field of online education — perhaps Coursera.
How what you do intersects with Coursera?. Of course, there are things in which we intersect. When we started the project, that in some way relied on their foreign counterparts. At that time there were three of them. Coursera, edX, Udacity.
And when we were doing the Russian project, on the one hand I knew I had to focus on the leaders, you need to watch what they use technology, how to operate in the market of formal and supplementary education, access to knowledge and information resources. And we have concluded that at that time in the Russian segment of the development of extended education online or otherwise moved, and in the field of higher education, we are much behind. While the whole world is already talking about what part of the educational programs in the near future will go online in Russia, in fact there was not a single online course.
In the world appeared first educational program, which cost ten times cheaper and was available to students from all over the world. At this point we realized that soon our students will go to foreign websites, they will learn in the textbooks, which were written by foreign universities. Naturally, this will Orient them to work in other economies, not in Russian.
And then we realized that we needed to do a Russian equivalent. First of all, one that will be focused on todays students who will be involved in different areas of training even at the school level. When they can get some guidance; when they can try themselves, learn about the areas of training, and Russian universities that have created these courses. That is, the draft strategic. You are targeting as a major tool for retention of professionals in the Russian environment.
Not only on retention but also on the provision of opportunities for continuing self-development to everyone. Why do you think that you will be able to compete with Coursera. After all, this is a major international project with financial likely large resources; the number of courses, most likely, today you are superior. By the way, that the dynamics of the number of courses. Are you able to catch up and as.
And even arranged a competition between you and Coursera?. A tough question, because today, Coursera is ahead of all Trac forums, probably put together in the world in the number of courses, the number of universities who work with them. Thats why we initially took on the role to compete in all markets and directions at once. Our choice in the direction of higher formal education is a strategic one, allows us today, at least in this part, in the Russian market to be leaders in relation to Coursera, too.
There is a Russian-language courses, they are created by the same universities are creating courses with us (this primarily Higher school of Economics, MIPT). Is the leading training courses in Russia?. Of the totality of all platforms, Yes. It is two universities that have the greatest number of courses and well presented on all platforms simultaneously.
Today we are going to be very focused. We are closing not just some particular discipline, particular area of knowledge and so on. We actually closed sequentially, the curriculum is in our Russian universities. And so on Coursera impossible to meet, for example, a course on the history of Russia, a course in physics, mathematics.
We have the advantage. Courses comply with Federal state educational standards. No one on Coursera to place courses that meet Russian standards, by definition, will not be. This allows us to compete for students.
Because, having mastered the course on our platform, it receives a certificate in the appropriate place in the curriculum to count, to postpone this assessment in the diploma. To move the assessment from Coursera, you can very selectively. There is no guarantee that a particular discipline be able in the curriculum to fit in. That is what you are doing now is an online console to an existing higher education in Russia?. Well, a prefix to call it difficult.
But you obviously are not the main educational body. Its not, they you complement and you probably. We believe that this element of the system of higher education, which will be an integral part. Why it will become an essential?. First of all, because it will choose the students.
Today they are comfortable to learn 24 hours a day, with access to content anytime, on any device. It is convenient when the content is high quality, verified many times, when you can use different forms of information, instantly get feedback from automated inspection systems, tasks, etc. Therefore, students are quite active themselves initiate the process of implementing online courses, replacing in part the traditional processes. You can criticize?. Of course.
I couldnt not try to use the service, and I strongly demotivate the inability to play any course at any time. The fact is, you have it set up so that today hes lunch, and tomorrow he is not working. In General, the motivation is more or less understandable, since you are giving assessment, evaluate, then you cant at any time do. But why dont you allow the students at least the materials to go in free mode?. We have it in plans.
Over the next year or two we will try to make so that access to materials was. The pace of development platforms do not allow you to do it before, they are determined by different factors, including investment. The platform is financed by the universities themselves. We have no external source, for example, state.
There is only the money invested by universities and that they should actually get back through the two models of return on investment. The first is directly paying students for online courses, and the second is the promotion of educational programs and products. Then there is also a marketing tool universities?. Of course, in the first place. And is it.
Until the courses are so cheap for students that even support full money universities not discourage. Still, open access to lectures seems like a necessity. I will explain. Were trying to fit into the curriculum, we want students to master online courses in any chart near their school year. But if you want to attract students to the University, to the Institute, he shall, before the entrance exams to look at courses and make conclusions for themselves.
Yes, thats right. But the basic model is still credit courses within the academic year, semester. There is one very important feature, it applies to all open online courses. As the number of individuals is big, the emphasis is on communication between them.
And courses are not just a set of materials, but also a community of students who help, advise. Using different mutual authentication, for example, jobs. And how the communication between learners. These are the tools of the portal?. Of course.
Due to the timing of the learning process, when students are all in the same week are the same lectures, solve the same problem — they can quickly each other to answer. My personal experience of mastering courses shows that if usually in the University system you can get the answer from the teacher to a letter, question, even if you use some kind of system of e-learning within the University, within two or three days, the online learning system where you learn about 15 thousand people, the response comes within 15 minutes maximum. From whom?. One of those who are now thinking the same.
And hence the answer to your question. We need to synchronize the process of learning all 15 thousand people for that they helped each other, and this for them was interesting. And how many people learn openedu.ru. And how about (this the model number) on the same course there?. The courses are very different.
There are interesting just by themselves, and there comes a lot more people. There are very technical, strength of materials some. There comes only to those students who really need the offset. Although there are professionals. In total we now have 370 thousand students.
You said that you have the tools for the automatic assessment of knowledge. How automatic?. None of the online learning system is not complete without traditional tests, but here, of course, is not just a set of questions. All the time looks statistics answers, reconciled, how properly made this test, and so on. In addition, there are many different tools that universities are either invented by themselves or taken somewhere.
For example, the Ural Federal University have created a virtual lab. The student gets into some three-dimensional environment as close as possible to the real laboratory at the University, and can execute some set of actions. Assessment of correctness of these actions, ideally — the correct decision-making process is fairly loose set of actions is performed automatically. In online courses, invalid assessment from the teacher for simple reasons. If you have 15 thousand students to test and give feedback during a synchronous teaching impossible.
Is mutual authentication is the one which uses human check. This is when the student gets to a randomly selected three or five students to check. While evaluating the students passed the course or all in parallel?. No, its all synced happens.
First, all writing assignments, then each other check. And from what we believe. Can not be that all students of the course at the same time bad, misunderstood the course, each other well will appreciate, because they got it wrong?. It depends on how you set the criteria. There is a very important component is the elaboration of criteria.
Randomly or based on some algorithm out of work, which looks teacher. He checks the quality of the course, the quality of the assessment systems that it contains. The teacher, for example, may purposefully seek students from non-traditional, outstanding answers on some criteria and then work with them even to communicate. Are there criteria that enable you to find genius?. Well, geniuses yet, this is the next step.
Just understand that there are some fundamental people, and there are people who are somehow struggling. Who is the genius and who is a loser, we dont know. But such criteria exist that are outstanding in one way or the other people figure it out?. Now the current technology, but there are projects in which we plan to implement it. This research makes a separate University.
They are built on artificial intelligence, neural networks. Such projects are scientific works of employees of those universities which participate in them. That is, they themselves are science projects?. Yes, on our platform you can build research. We are now actively working with the ways in which the spheres of the introduction of online courses you can get the best results.
Do you need tutor support, should the teacher leave for a few sessions and so on. How all this affects students motivation, passion and so on. And we have, besides, within the project systems that provide situational in the process of putting control measures. This is a web camera that captures how a student behaves at the computer in the process of writing a test or finish an assignment.
And, as shown by current practice, this process is not just the identification of a person. Modern technologies allow us to track the state of a person, what he does, if hes thinking about what hes doing now and so on. Now it is used for very simple things. Identify those students among the dealer, where it is necessary to pay attention that have signs that he may be, withdraws or responds with a prompt, and so on.
In what direction you want to move. New projects or themes?. There should probably split the question into two parts. Where we want to move from the point of view of learning technologies and where we want to move as a project. Heres how the project we want to move in the first place, in the direction of simplification of procedure of connection of online courses for educational institutions with its program.
This is some systemic measures that we are implementing together with the Ministry of education and science of the Russian Federation. The normative documents related to different technological standards. To handles certificates to transfer, and to automatically load in the information system of universities. Students to go on all platforms with a single account and dont forget your usernames and passwords. To not have their passport to identify, because the University did, in fact, at admission, and so on.
This is a fairly large and complex job. Second — we want all the platforms that are working right now on the market of open education, informal education, also fit into this process. So you consider yourself more as a platform for platforms. As some integrated environment?. We consider as a driver, as a pilot project in this area and hope that different universities in different formats associations.
Sectoral, regional and other, will also be included in this process. And for them, you have some infrastructure ready to provide?. We hope that part of the infrastructure in this case is established by the Ministry of education in the framework of priority project “Modern digital educational environment”, which is now being implemented. We will be the providers of certain competences, experience for those who want to follow our example. A very important element, from my point of view, is that you have a student can indeed get a pass-fail some points, which are considered mainly educational process.
Some of the dynamics in this place can show. What part of the educational process the University is able to fetch with himself, throwing in the online environment?. Let me give an example based on our Ural Federal University. Because I am from him, we try to be leaders in not only the creation, but also the introduction of online courses into the educational process.
There are two such movements. The first movement is the enabling basic disciplines in the learning process in online courses. We have some departments that some basic disciplines offer students to undergo online training. There is a situation when (in the early years it always has been) a student is offered a choice.
Want to learn online — well, I dont want to go into the audience. In 99% of cases the students chose the Internet, but said that even if a teacher comes at least once in two weeks. We so often did, and then came the understanding, as all students still agree, we have to include some subjects in the curriculum by default. I wanted to tell you about another interesting model that we did. We have introduced into their educational programme element, the so-called on the students choice when he can choose any course, including those not in his field of study, from any University, who presented on the platform of “Open education”.
There is plenty of interesting statistics, the students took quite different courses. This is a very interesting topic, we call it the “strategy of choice of the student”, and also want in this area to collect some statistics and make conclusions about what drives the student in selecting the online course. I think it would be a subject for publication in the next year and a half. There are so many different aspects of hidden, because we see how some of the students unexpectedly choose, studying at the direction of the story, any course on quantum physics. And with such passion!
While we are training under the state educational standards, it is hard to move away from the selected areas we cant. But what does “open education”. It gives the opportunity for more professional guidance. That is, the person who learns, for example, construction can take in parallel to his teaching a certain number of courses related to the Humanities. And then to be transferred without debt in the corresponding direction and Vice versa.
How much you learn not students, and professionals who come to develop themselves in different subjects or to change my occupation?. More than 30% are people who do not come from the student environment, not even of the students. People who have completed higher education or have not received. And among them are those who have a professional motivation. They want to obtain specific knowledge, specific skills through online courses.
There are teachers who improve their qualification. Just watching him teach and other subjects for development. Another big problem of education, I think that not only Russian, but also world — it is a significant detachment from reality. That is, in sensations, in their it area, I see that teaching students is a shift from what is happening in practice, at the age of five. What you are doing, allows this gap to decrease and if so, how.
How do you see it?. A very important point. If today in some University there is absolutely breakthrough technology, some new knowledge, then creating her online course, we can launch across the country instantly. People can directly obtain knowledge from the media, which can be unique. Can we expect that what you are doing now, will bring us back to the days when we Russian education could really be proud of?.
A difficult question. I will answer only to him only to the extent that one of the functions of our system of online learning, one of the missions that she decides at the universities — a mission to preserve the best experience. Because we are, first and foremost, orientirueshsya for very highly qualified personnel who know how to teach the subject. And we can save for many, many years.